The Pilgrims Progress

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As I walked through the wilderness of this world, I came upon a certain place where there was a den and I laid down in that place to sleep and as I slept, I dreamed a dream.

I dreamed and behold, I saw a man clothed with rags standing with his face turned away from his own house with a book in his hand and a great burden upon is back.

This is the beginning, the first few sentences of the Pilgrim's progress, which is an incredible story.

All about a journey from this world to that which is to come.

And, it apart from the Bible, at least at 1 time, was the best selling book in the English language, wasn't it? So, it's, it's red by and has influenced many, many thousands, perhaps tens of 1000, 100 of 1000 of people, and, it continues to bless Christian in every generation, doesn't it? And so we, in this new series, are gonna be going through this story, the Pilgrim's progress, and that's how it begins.

Those are the first few sentences.

And so, this is a Cornerstone church, podcast, and, I'm here with Rory.

Hello? Ben? Hello? Pete.

Hello? And, I'm Tom.

And, we're just gonna we're just gonna plot through this story, really, and try to, enjoy all the Christian truth that it that it teaches us.

How many times have you read this? Would you say, I I mean, hard to Lots.

Be 5 times.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I wish I wanna gain.

I I think as I mean, we just read through that first part of the chapter, and it it's gorgeous writing.

I mean, it's it's not just plodding bad writing.

I mean, you've gotta remember, this is a bloke who is uneducated.

And was in prison, most of his, well, a lot of his life.

It is it's it's extraordinary, isn't it? How talented Bunion was? Yeah.

And the writing is very beautiful, I thought, when we just read that through.

But, yeah, sorry.

That's about the the sort of Yeah.

Style, but it it It is very, very good.

Do you do you better already remember the first either time you read it or introduced to it? I remember being introduced to a children's version when I was younger, and there are some really good children's sort of things.

Aren't there out there of it? Translations and things.

And it's very visual, isn't it? He's he's a he's a master communicator, and he was he was just so at painting a picture and using things in nature to help you see what's going on the scripture, isn't it? And the scriptures.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I just remember being taken up with, like, pictures whilst the story's being told and things.

So, yeah.

I mean, spurgeon was said to have read it 200 times I don't quite know why because he had a sort of, you know, he met him he remembered everything he read, really, a 1 time over, but He he loved it, and he would he would say that, he talked about bunion, you know, pricked bunion anywhere his blood was big line, the Bible would come out in, you know, graphic ways.

Yeah.

Of our memories is actually Pete reading it on on recording.

So, my brothers particularly, they remember listening to it.

On cassettes.

On cassette.

And then they met met Pete when we went on our on our camp contagious.

So that was quite a the moment.

We also had a board game.

They don't wanna have the board game.

No.

It was like, it was a game where you you had to journey onto the Really? Yeah.

The celestial city.

Yeah.

Who is brilliant? Yeah.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

It should get that going.

Probably all out of.

I don't think I yeah.

It won't be won't, could it? Because if you land on a sorry.

You're gonna straight the hell offs on there.

I think it was something like that.

Yeah.

Very good.

Okay.

Well, look, we're just gonna, we're just gonna start at at the beginning.

And, the the first title, is the city of destruction.

And, as I said in the introduction, so here is here is a character.

He's walking through the wilderness of this world.

He falls asleep, and he dreams.

And in his dream, behold, he sees a man clothed with rags standing this face turned away from his own house, which is just interesting even to start with, isn't it, that there's this man is beginning to park with the world, you know, his face is turned from his house.

Something's happening with him.

And, he's got a book in his hand and a great burden his back.

And, he's been reading it.

He's weeping.

He's trembling and unable to contain himself.

He bursts out saying, what shall I what shall I do? So what's going on here? How would we try to I think everything about this is is so brilliant.

You know, all the things that he he he even loves in this world, I've now become sort of things that he, is seeing is seeing error in.

So dirty clothes, rags, and rags.

So everything he does, everything he puts on, is is full of sort of dirty rags.

Even his, family he sees as not satisfying him or that that they're not they're not the place of safety that he thought they were.

And security and his house and his money and and all of that, is is a brilliant image of a man coming act.

It's a it's a very matrix thing, isn't it? If you've seen the film matrix.

He's he's seeing now the world for what it is.

He's entrapped in something that he would have seen glory in and beauty in and safety in.

And now everything is not safe, and everything is under a cloud, of judgment.

And clicking in his mind.

It's brilliant imagery.

Yeah.

It's a little bit like, the the recent film don't look up as well.

If you seen, or if you know that film, because that's a film where, there's a sort of meteor or coming towards Earth, and there's an impending judgment coming.

And some people believe it and are aware it's happening and cannot find rest.

And I'm trying to tell other people about it, but no 1 sort of believes them or no one's that fussed by them.

They can't sleep, they can't eat, and similar things going on with with this character, he he sees something coming towards hurtling towards him, and he he says to his family, we must escape.

Yeah.

So the the book, the book that he's reading, is is the Bible.

And the burden on his back is, is a sense of his own guilt you know, and he's feeling increasingly weighed down.

So this book that he's reading is bringing him under a state of conviction.

You know, he he's realizing that he's not right with whoever wrote this book, you know.

And more than that, that that that a judgment and it's described as a fire from heaven is coming upon the world and upon him, And it's very moving because he he he's he's he's growing in this sense of fear, and he goes home to his family and He's very agitated and distressed, and they're coming around saying, what's what's gone on? You know, what's the matter? And he's saying, you know, my my darling my sweet babes, you know, fire from heaven is falling upon this book is gonna fall upon this place.

What must we do? You know? And they, of course, don't understand his distress.

They think he's deranged.

That's the word that, Bunyan uses and that all he needs is an early night and a warm mug of cocoa.

And hopefully in the morning, he'll wake up and he would have come out of his funk, you know, and yet, unfortunately, the night is worse than the day, you know, because he's lying asleep at night, and he just cannot shake this sense of, this sense of conviction and that thing.

That's exactly what the world does though, isn't it? So it thinks that us, you know, preaching a gospel that there's judgment coming or, that that even with shame, what does the world do with shame? Doesn't like shame.

You never even meant to shame anyone, or you're never meant to feel a shame.

Be proud of yourself.

And it it sort of tries to churn turn around, doesn't it? This I remember hearing, on Radio 4 some years ago about a a young boy, and they they sort of they they they took this on as a sort of, you know, to to do do a program on how he he felt this sense of woah.

He was only young.

He felt this sense of, woah, and and just exactly like this.

And the whole thing, was the psychologists and psychiatrists and stuff trying to say, oh, no.

We need to, show him happiness.

We need to, to answer that sense of, woah, with trying to not have this sense of shame and stuff.

Accept himself and all of that sort of stuff.

And that's what the world does, doesn't it? And and and and myself, my wife and myself, were listed at thinking, no, actually, this is where you need the gospel.

You need to show him, actually, he's right this kit in where he is.

But there is hope in Christ in the gospel.

This is where he needs to go.

Yeah.

But people, we don't like this in it.

No.

We don't.

And it's interesting how, you know, if you talk to people who have become followers of Jesus, oh, yeah.

You okay? We're gonna we've got a choking incident here in the live lounge.

We're just gonna give Pete a minute to recover.

But if you talk to people who have become Christians, out of non Christian families, this is often the thing that they say.

You know, they start wanting to go to church every Sunday.

They start using phrases like my church family, and words like your fanatical or you've got in with a cult or you've deranged or your mind has gone, they still use those kinds of words.

And that's exactly what's that's what's happening here, isn't it? And the interesting thing about this is that he, he's he's drawn to the book Yeah.

Which is threatening him with judgment and exposing his sin, and yet he can't stop reading it.

There's a sort of sense that it's like it's got a magnet about it.

So even after all of that, he wakes up and he's back in the field, militarily, Bunyan says, on his own, he's out reading it, and he can't sort of, leave it even though he knows that to read it is only to increase his sense of guilt and, terrify him, really.

And yet he he knows the truth in it.

That's the thing.

And there must be an answer somewhere, I think.

Yeah.

He's he's been brought to an end of himself, hasn't he? It's a it's an amazing sort of what what Bunnian's doing here with this man because he you can feel his fear.

You can feel his distress.

You can see, like, even that fear of my, I've got a predicament here.

I'm gonna die.

My family at my own loved ones are gonna die.

I need an answer here.

So I guess he knows that the answer must be in the same place where the the judgement Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Judgment is being what it's all about.

Yeah.

It's interesting that sorry about the coughing.

I've swollen some Coca Cola the wrong way.

It's interesting that Jordan Peterson, talks about anxiety, and stuff.

And 1 of the things he says is that, actually, we should be more anxious because we're going to die.

You know, it's sort of, let's not cover this up.

And, you know, it's even interesting that people like him are saying that.

I remember being at 1 church where I was, running the youth group.

And, 1 of the girls, became a actually became a follower of Jesus, and was a delightful girl, you know, and really, really sort of nice and nice to her parents, but her parents wrote us a letter saying, what are we doing with her child? Because she's not like normal children out down the night club getting drunk.

And they were complaining about that.

And it's just just sort of interesting, isn't it? That, that people are are actually they they they think the way that you find happiness is through staying in this world that's under condemnation, finding pleasures within it.

Yes.

And it's, it's very real, isn't it? I mean, there's, as I say, his family are trying to comfort him and his distress, and there's this moving line where it says, in that fearful catastrophe, both myself with you, my wife, and you, my sweet babes, shall come to miserable ruin unless some way of escape can be found whereby we may be delivered.

You know, so he's looking at his kids in the art, and he's saying that.

I mean, he loves them.

Of course, he does.

He loves them.

He's their dad and, you know, he's a husband but he recognizes that they are living within a reality that is bigger than themselves.

And there are there is a god and there is something coming and they need to find a way of escape.

That's that's how it's put.

And is this the Bible, do you think? This is what we're this is what the Bible says? Yeah.

Yeah.

I already said that, haven't we? Interesting that he reads it and he needs someone to explain to him what to do.

It was quite often the case, isn't it, when people read scripture they come under some kind of conviction of something, and yet they don't understand all the pieces of the puzzle, and they need someone off to to help them, I think, about Philip and the UNIC.

So you've got the story in apps where, a UNIC in Ethiopia is reading scripture, but he doesn't stand it.

And Philip says, do you understand what you're reading? And he says, how can I, unless someone explains it to me? And so he gets that there's enough that he he understands enough about what he's reading that that that judgment is coming, but he does he can't quite work out what the solution is, and that's why he's so distressed.

Yeah.

So and you had a yes.

Well, no.

Sorry.

You had a, a helpful Psalm.

Didn't you? There was a Yes.

Can't remember where it's from, but it's Psalm 38 vorces for my iniquities are gone over my head as a heavy burden.

They weigh too much for me.

That's bunions right in that.

In other words, I feel my sin.

I feel my guilt.

I it's like this great burden on, and that's the image obviously that Bernie News is this huge, burden on his back.

It's that burden that he believes will take him to itself.

So he won't get through judgment day.

Sure.

But he's reading through through other scriptures that show him that.

And this is what the it's part of how I think particularly these these old writers understood the function of the law, isn't it? That you know, as you read the old testament law and compared yourself to god's perfect moral standards and the things that he commanded the people, you know, the law was there to convict of sin and to, show us that we need a savior.

And that's how that's how Paul speaks about it in Romans and Galatians, isn't it? That, that it serves as a spotlight just to shine upon our hearts and reveal how far short we've fallen of god's standards and that we could never by our own obedience, fulfill the demands of the law.

And so we just become more convicted and are therefore pointed to the savior.

Which is what he needs.

So he's out so he's out in the field.

And, as you as you were, going on to Pete, he meets evangelist.

And, he's he's reading the book as has become his habit, and he cries out what shall I do to be saved, which is a verse from acts 16, isn't it? So it's the Philippine Jayla, you know, and, he's saying to Paul and Silas, isn't he there? What what must I do to be saved? And, and then it I mean, the flippy and jailer is seeing a sort of earthquake coming and everything Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

George is very similar to the the struck happening, isn't it? Yeah.

Also, it reminds me of what they say in acts.

Is it 2 when they say what must we do? Yeah.

This is what he says first is an Pilgrim says, what must I do? And then later it says, what must those have you saved? So there's kind of a there's a sort of a progression in his crying out.

Yeah.

And this is, I mean, the the the the thing about this story is that we've already commented on the quality of the writing, but there's no wasted details here.

I mean, everything, you know, is worthy of discussion.

So he says, I saw also that he looked this way and that as if he wanted to run Yeah.

Yet he stood still Yes.

Because as I perceived, he could not tell which way to go.

Yeah.

And it's just brilliant, isn't it? Yeah.

So he's he's convicted.

He knows he needs to escape, but he's got no idea which way to run.

And, I guess that's just part he's saying, look, you know, we need someone to explain Yeah.

The solution to us because all the ones that the world offers the things that we might look to to try to absolve ourselves of guilt or to satisfy us.

It's all well, I could run that way, but, oh, no, that's not gonna could run that way.

Oh, that hasn't really delivered.

That, you know, and, so we And he can't find it in himself.

No.

You know, he he's he's what was the line? This is neither not not willing or able or is it some kind of line like that in writing.

So he's he's not able to to do to get rid of this burden.

Is that after evangelist asks him why haven't you moved? Yes.

Because he says he says, I feel this judgment's coming, and eventually says, well, what you're doing here.

Yes.

Yes.

Well, that's evangelist.

Yeah.

So he he appears, and and we'll see he crops up a number of times in the story.

And, evangelist says, why what's all the fuss about? Basically, why you why you raise hollering like this? He says, why are you crying out And he says, sir, I realized by the book in my hand that I'm condemned to die and after that to come to judgment.

And I find I am not willing to do the first.

Yes.

Not willing to die.

Not able to do the second.

I can't come to judgment, you know.

So Yeah.

He's in He's in a dilemma.

He's in a dilemma.

And then evangelist, instead of kind of pointing into the solution, wants him to just stew a lip bit and says, why are you not willing to die? You know, what's your problem? Are you not Yeah.

Have you not sorted that yet? Yeah.

It's basically what he's saying.

Isn't it? You know, and It's not meant for ways to live out immediately, is it? Or No.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then he says, you know, because I fear that burden upon my back will sink me lower than the grave, and I shall fall into hell.

And so if I'm not fit to die, then I'm sure that I'm not fit to go to judgment and from then to execution.

And so evangelist does his job as a lead from the Roth to come.

That's right.

So he he doesn't try to yes, I wanna know you're alright that, you know, you'll be fine and just calm down and try and do a good a a few good things in the church with your family or your staff, no.

You're right.

Flee flee from the rocker car.

And that is evangelist's job.

Isn't it? And people are angry by because 1, how dare you say I'm under Roth? And, you know, I'm happy where I am.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's it's flea and don't look back as well, isn't it? Yeah.

It's so similar to a lot and wife and daughters sort of flee from sodom and Gemara.

Don't look back, get away from either.

If you look back, I think endangered.

Just keep going.

And then he says, there's the narrow gate.

That's right.

Yeah.

Run for that.

Yes.

Can't see it? No.

That's right.

So he says, can you see it? He says, no.

And then evangelist might preaches his sort of game, doesn't he? Yes.

He says, well, okay.

Do you see the la the yond shining light.

And he says, I think I do.

Yeah.

And evangelist said, and in 1 sense, this is a motto for the whole Christian life, isn't it? Keep that light your eye.

And run them to it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you don't understand everything.

You can't see it, everything.

But but but that's but that's the way to go.

And it's it's a bit like that, isn't it? That people need, you know, not not just 1 sermon.

Yeah.

It's not just a 1 off thing this, is it? It's the evangelist has to keep saying.

Yeah.

And and and actually, that's what a good evangelist does, isn't it? Okay.

You don't understand the narrow gate.

You don't see the narrow a gate, but, look, you see these truths.

You've got a burden on your back.

You're feeling that you're sinking.

You understand that there's a hell and judgment coming.

But there's a little light here.

Do you do you see do you understand a little bit about the lord Jesus Christ? Well, come on, make that step, move that way Get get don't not move that way.

Yeah.

Don't go home.

Don't think about it in 1 block to think about it, but don't leave it.

Keep moving in that direction.

This is a very great advice, isn't it? It is.

And he's then he's then got a decision to make, really.

And, I mean, the bit at the end, I think, is what people would say is fanatical, you know, so he he goes home.

No, rather he doesn't go home.

He begins to run and he'd not run very far from his own door before his wife and children.

I mean, come on.

It's it's quite moving, isn't it? Seeing him depart began to shout after him to return.

And he puts his fingers in his ears to block out their noise and he says life, life, eternal life.

And then the last bit of this section is so he did not look behind him, but fled towards the middle of the plane.

And, you know, Jesus does talk like that, doesn't it? You know, that the that the gospel and the message of the gospel, can even bring division into the closest of earthly relationships and I think the point of this is to say that, look, once you've come under this conviction and you know the direction you need to go, you really must not let anything hold you back, you know, because of course you want them to come, you know, he calls them his sweet babes, you know, so he's not like indifferent to them.

But, you know, he has to make a break with this world.

Doesn't he? That's the thing.

I mean, the tax the tax that, put in use is if anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children.

Is that right? Is, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciples.

Yeah.

It's not not that we literally hate and, you know, no.

Sean our family, but we we say Christ is gonna be more important.

Atternal life in my eternal destination is much more important than anything in this world.

And as such a, you know, it's a hard choice in in in some ways, but in another way, it's the easiest choice in the world.

He's also real there because he says to them, he says to the he says to his family that we will be miserable.

We we will suffer misery if we stay here.

So he he's of that.

So he someone might say to him, well, why are you leaving your family? Like, surely it's better to just be passive and and do what they want, and it and he knows that that won't lead to happiness for anyone.

So if he you know, they're shouting out, come back, come back, he knows that if he does come back, it's gonna be misery.

And so he he he has that in his mind, doesn't And and I wonder sometimes, you know, we I think this is the thing.

And you see, you do see this with Jesus' evangelism.

Don't that he is upfront about the cost of discipleship right from the beginning.

To follow him is gonna be the road to eternal life and living water and satisfaction, but it is to take up the cross, isn't it? They're you you you know, and we mustn't lose that.

No.

In our in our presentation.

We'll we'll see in the next 1 to 2 of his neighbors going after him.

Yes.

And it's quite interesting that that, you know, 1 that, the 1 that sort of says I'll follow.

Well, we'll see it next time, but comes back is actually despised in both.

He, you know, he's not gonna be saved.

No.

And he's he's not treated.

With with with the with the town as if he's, you know, he's he's he's a fool sort of thing.

And they're they're interesting characters, aren't they? Yeah.

So what challenges us then about about about this? What's what is it? Well, we're in a world that doesn't like anyone to have a burden.

And we put all kinds of these sort of things down to mental health issues.

Always, he's got an issue.

They're there.

You know, we're not allowed to have shame.

We're not allowed to talk about sin.

It's extraordinary, our world, isn't it? That that the evangelist of our world is, go back home, look within love yourself, isn't it? That's that's the evangel of our age.

This is very, very different.

Yeah.

It's, you look within, you find you're a sinner.

Yeah.

You find that you are unable to please god.

You are under the wrath.

Yeah.

Of god, you will die, and there is a hell I know it's very unsettling, isn't it? It's not a sort of, here's here's Jesus, and we we want you to know that you can largely keep the comfortable life that you enjoy and sort of have him as well.

It's, you're a sinner.

You're going to hell you need to fly from the rock to come.

You need to leave everything that is dear to your heart, basically.

It's there's nothing in here that is soothing, you know, although it is in the end, but, yeah.

It would be very interesting reading that chapter out Jewel Austin's church, wouldn't it? See what happens? I don't think you'd be allowed.

It'd take you out, wouldn't they? I think, pastorally, we should take a leaf out of evangelist's book And as we said earlier, not worry so much about making sure someone has understood every point of doctrine.

But, you know, encouraging people to just keep moving forward.

Keep coming back.

Come back next Sunday and hear a bit more.

Come back next Sunday and hear a bit more.

You don't understand everything yet fine, but come on, let's keep walking.

So under understanding, I mean, the whole the whole book is a is a progress a journey, isn't So keeping that in mind, and yet and yet pointing people towards the light, even if they're very far away from it.

Do you see that light? Do you do you see any hope at all over there? Yeah.

Okay.

We'll we'll walk awards it then.

And trying not to rush people, maybe not getting frustrated, but just encouraging people on.

Although, it's it's interesting, isn't it? Cause we are we sort of live in a culture that likes lukewarmness in sort of half hearted.

So like I think you're saying, you know, okay, carry on with whatever you're doing and and you can have a little bit of Christianity on the side, but this is like a radical break with the world, isn't it? It's it's like so different, like run, flee, get rid of it, go away from the old life, and and flee to the new life, and we tend to shy away from radical stuff, but this is a radical break from from the old life, isn't it? And you you do, I mean, sometimes people say, you know, people, you know, this this sort of teaching about sin, people first need to understand the love of god, you know, and they need know how much god loves them and accepts them, and then they'll come to see how, and I guess the truth is that, you know, if you look at the different ways in which evangelism happens in the Bible.

There isn't only 1 approach, you know, to wooing people into the kingdom, but, I think this would have a say, well, the, I mean, this starts with sin and judgment and, you know, I mean, the love of god is here in the sense that he's even got the book at all, and that evangelist is coming.

So that is god's love to him.

Otherwise, he would just totally leave him, but you know, I mean, in order to get it, you need to understand.

His testimony came under conviction of sin when he was playing games on his on the Sabbath and social catnapple, wherever it's called.

And, you know, this this was Did he hear some Oh, well, that was that's when he heard the good news.

He heard some gossiping women there.

Well, he thought they were gossiping, and they were talking Jesus.

But that's the way he came into the good news, but Yeah.

His sense of of of sin and and and death.

I mean, you know, he himself, was in the army, and it he was supposed to be posted on duty and swapped with a friend who was killed.

So that would have been bunion who was killed, and and these things sort of started to impress themselves upon him.

But, you know, the the the fact is we've got to remember, we are going to die.

Yes.

And we will be dead, and we have to stand before the living god.

And, you know, that is a message.

We need to be bold bold in preaching.

You will stand before god who is the righteous pure god.

He's not vindictive.

He's not a nasty raging god, but he's a god of holiness and purity.

And righteousness.

All the things that we sort of want in many ways, got to be.

You know, what do we want? An in just god, a god that doesn't care about sin and says, oh, it doesn't really matter.

God that doesn't care about, you know, Roth.

You know, he's he's not Rothful.

He's not angryer, a pedophile, or a rapist, or a murderer, or lying, or, you know, he's the god of truth that he's got an god of love, and we've been unloving and untruthful.

And that is a burden upon us.

And we are to we're going to stand before you know, as she said, the the 10 commandments, who even knows them today? Yeah? You know, so you know, con con well, we've been out on the streets and asked people what the 10 commandments are, and it's basically love yourself, isn't it? Which is not right.

It's the love god with all your heart and to love your neighbors yourself.

That's the summary.

And we haven't loved god, and we haven't loved our neighbor.

And therefore, there is this burden on us whether we feel it or not.

It's great if you feel it, because it might make you run.

Yeah.

And so part of our preaching, in 1 sense, is not evangelist.

It's law, isn't it? To get people to say, I feel guilty.

Then we do the, well, run to the run to the Yeah.

The way of salvation.

I know it's just extraordinary, isn't it? The the sort of difference between say, Janars.

So if, you know, he's saying, I'm not willing to die, nor am I able to come to judgment.

And then evangelist says, why are you not willing to die? Since this life is attended with so many troubles, we might put it.

Why are you not willing to die since this life is so wonderful? And, got so much to enjoy and there's so much ahead of you.

He's saying, why are you not wanting to have this life? Terrible.

I mean, you're gonna get sick.

You're gonna get, the plague, you know, leg gonna rot off, don't you wanna die? Escape this, well, you know, whereas we would say, I'm not going to die.

I've got so much I wanna do, you know.

So Yeah.

I mean, again, it's funny, isn't it? Because we we see the death of a child.

And that, yeah, naturally, that is a is an awful thing, isn't it? But you can see the death of a child is an utter disaster, and that child may well be a Christian who loves Christ, who's had this sins forgiven, but then when an old blood dies, I always had a good innings.

Yeah.

But he may not be ready for Christ.

And that's a disaster, isn't it? So, you know, that's that's what we've gotta be asking.

So there's a lot I think we can learn as breaches in this.

Yeah, flee flee from the wrath to come.

Maybe that should be our text on Sunday.

Good stuff.

Well, that's that's literally a page and a half.

So we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna enjoy this.

So next time, we're gonna have a think about, what happens after Christian.

Well, he's not called Christian at this point.

No.

He's not.

No.

Pilgrim or whatever.

Just a moment.

Abstinent and pliable.

These are the 2, characters that he meets and, so do join us.

And the flower responds and help, which is my favorite character.

Nice.

Hello? Have help.

Tune in for more impressions of help next time.

And, this is, this is a Cornerstone Church Kingston.

Podcast.

You can go on to Cornerstonechurchkingston.

org and, look up sermons.

We did, some years ago, didn't we? We preach through the Pilgrim's progress.

And, you may be, I'm not sure.

You may be able to find those recordings online, but do tune in for the next, the next installment of this soon.

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